So let’s agree to disagree:  we’ll each be Christian in our own way – you in your way and we in HIS. Jesus did it all for me. He indicated in an online town forum last month that there's room for those on both sides of the debate – those who are pro-gay and those who hold homosexuality as unbiblical – in the denomination. The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA has had several different issues over the years starting in 2007 with the disagreements on marriage and clergy's sexual orientations. Get Driving Directions. I had this sick feeling in my stomach for many months before my wife, kids and I finally left. If you'd like to join us we are on Facebook, search for Exposing the ELCA group (as apposed to my other Exposing the ELCA page). Then how does a Catholic live if she does not agree with everything? Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary. The earthly kingdom is an external kingdom that exists in the rest of the world. Christians are supposed to let the Gospel (which some people – not your pastors –often claim is the same as “the command to love”) be the eyeglasses through which we read scripture. I can not attend a church that turns away other Christians nor can I attend the ELCA because of their unwillingness to follow true Christian beliefs and God's Law! (I think Luther would get a big laugh.) Why would she need a Savior? He told me the church has to keep up with the times. Mother God I believe it was the Holy Spirit leading me as I wasn't a dogmatic believer let alone one who considered my faith very seriously. Holy Spirit Liberal Theology It was the so-called bound conscience doctrine which turned out to be a way of silencing critics rather than engendering diversity in the church. To date, almost all African mission congregations have remained in the ELCA. September 2011 ARGUMENT: Homosexual persons have been an oppressed sexual minority & have suffered much at the hands of the Church, in the name of Christ. September 2013 Instead, we received a fax from the denomination. The Lutheran I probably speak for others when I say I have no interest in attacking the Catholic church on here, but the RCC really isn't the focus here. January 2015 We are now in the call process for a new pastor. Thank you for permitting me to express my views. February 2018 Cross Dressing I even preached a bit in that Church. Holy Trinity’s issue with the ELCA was not over how homosexual persons should be treated; Scripture is clear that all people should be treated with love. Previous Article Soundbite 1 – Pr. When the bishop came out to see us, he essentially tap-danced and insisted that the ELCA was the nice, conservative outfit it had always been (with maybe a few extreme rabble-rousers on the fringes), and that I was going 'way overboard in my criticism of it. Until very recently, I felt much like you, small town congregation, good folks, great pastor. God bless everyone of you for showing grace to those whose comments you may not necessarily agree with. April 2016 Mary was a sinner, since she called God her Savior. Indeed. What’s wrong with polyfidelity among whole groups of people? When Jaroslav Pelikan left the ELCA and became a member of the OCA, I felt it was not terribly surprising. Here are 11 reasons everyone should leave the ELCA. Minnesota for Marriage. We joined an Independent Lutheran Church that emphasized the importance of having a personal relationship with Christ Jesus. Prayer 8) The ELCA ordains practicing homosexuals as pastors. All At least not as a congregation. And what is bisexuality but the sexual love of both males and females? But my family knows they are saved only by grace through faith in the blood sacrifice of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. You can visit the site for yourself and see if my characterization is on target. June 2018 in which 3 or more people commit to having a closed relationship and not getting sexually involved with anyone outside the group. Stories of Women Who Left the LCMS I really do not know how I stumbled onto the link. Since the controversial vote in August, ELCA Presiding Bishop Mark S. Hanson has urged congregations not to make any hasty moves and to instead engage in conversation. It is within walking distance, and is a typical small-town congregation. That is why I left the ELCA. St. Paul says both “A woman should keep silence in church (1 Timothy 2:11)” and also “When a woman is speaking in Church she should have her head covered (1 Corinthians 11:5).” 1 Timothy says both “I forbid a woman to teach men (1 Timothy 2:12)” and in the next breath “Women are saved by childbearing (1 Tim 2:15)”, even though we know from other places in the New Testament, “All who call on the Name of the Lord shall be saved (Romans 10:13).” So what is it? Kathy, Jesus did it all for you too. April 2010 I taught Sunday School in that Church. Unitarian Universalist When Peggy and I had problems he was there for us. But to continue to push Catholicism on this, in this comments section...? The RCC's practice of praying to the saints seems to be idolatry to me. Evangelical Lutheran Church Becomes Branch Of The Radical Left By Pastor Tom Brock/Pastors Study July 06, 2020. July 2014 October 2017 That’s how much the ELCA wants to hear the voices of any who disagree. Our kids baptised in that church. May 2017 In fact, the decision to leave has lifted a mighty weight from me. January 2010 18257 views; Acts 2:38–What Does it Really Mean? Not surprised you left the ELCA. November 2020 The Popes have said that Muslims and Jews are also saved. When we use the Bible to interpret the Bible (a Lutheran principle) we find in the Old Testament the prophetess Huldah, and we find in the New Testament the husband-and-wife team of Priscilla & Aquila, Philip’s four prophetess daughters, all the named female deacons in the New Testament, and Mary Magdalene, the first witness to Christ’s resurrection. January 2020 June 2017 Operation Christmas Child The congregation bought it. You may be pleasantly surprised. What the ELCA is: NARAL, Planned Parenthood, NOW, Greenpeace, GLAAD, Democratic Party Nevertheless, This behavior has been witnessed by those members of this congregation who have gone to Synod Assembly as delegates. Peggy and I had been married in that church. RESPONSE:  According to Jesus, the command to love is the summary of the law (Mt 22:37-40.) What follows is a series of arguments against leaving the ELCA; each argument is paired with a response. Chuck Braun - I said already that if my current Pastor were to leave, that'd be about it for us, we're kind of hanging by a string in many ways already. Why? Share this article: I spent many years as a pastor in the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America until I led my congregation out for a more Biblical branch of Lutheranism. September 2012 Seminaries May God give you wisdom. Previous Article Soundbite 1 – Pr. We belong the to Pacifica Synod, one of the 65 synods in the ELCA. AFLC and CLB were influenced by later reformers and by Pietism, and seem to have little problem with today's non-denominational evangelicals. This behavior has been witnessed by those members of this congregation who have gone to Synod Assembly as delegates. Resurrection I attended church on June 2nd, 3 days after that statement was released, still in a daze and suffering grief and loss at what I was now forced to do - leave my church. Our children were taught well in Sunday School and I as their father took on the proper role as the Spiritual Leader of the family. One receives Christ's merits and grace by cooperating with Him in good works, according to the RCC. - Ephesians 5:11, 11 Reasons Everyone Should Leave the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America. Tell me what baggage? All Rights Reserved. Masterpiece Cake Shop April 2013 We are not being “schismatic”; we are simply voting to join another denomination. Goddess Worship If you have to vote on what to believe regarding church teachings then you have a serious problem. Refugees August 2020 I am quite confused about this. Socialism NALC belongs in the list, IMH&FO. Acceptance of the person and forgiving them is the true meaning of being a Christian, not acceptance of the sin nor excluding those looking for salvation! Environmentalism God's grace, mercy and peace to you. Prior to this, I’d spent years fighting for change from within the ELCA. UCC It hurt to leave those I loved for 30 years. The Church has made prior accommodations to the culture in addition to the one made at the 2009 Churchwide assembly. While I identify Roman Catholicism as a seriously flawed Christianity, I pray that those in the RCC would nonetheless be able to receive the Gospel of salvation in Christ alone, despite the distortions of that Gospel which they have been taught. Politics February 2015 Blasphemy Universalism Mike Cooper, the NALC is definitely on my own personal radar, we don't have one in our town, nearest is an hour drive. WHY ARE WE A MEMBER OF THE ELCA? Not something that I want to participate in with my offering dollars. The Bible does NOT say polygamy is OK; in fact, the Bible is very critical of it. Let me close by saying that I drove by the local Catholic church near me, and the sign read, "JESUS, I TRUST IN YOU". The ELCA Foundation has a nationwide network of professional gift planning staff that can help you explore a variety of possibilities for making a significant gift to ELCA churchwide ministries and fulfilling your legacy goals at the same time. Ken Ham. (So early we were still counting.) So, if it’s good for homosexual and heterosexual people to be able to enter “publically accountable same-gender” relationships in accordance with their sexual orientation, how can this not also be good for bisexual persons? Christopher - Your post demonstartes one of the problems I have, there are literally so many Lutheran branches and churches now, and som much change, that it's hard to keep up. Our pastor of 12 years had a let sleeping dogs lie attitude toward the political turmoil on the horizon. 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